girlfriend has a boyfriend that wasn't me via twitter. >> that must feel good to admit it. painful. talk about painful. people are talking about gerald. >> can't be unseen. >> all right, listen. have great weekend. "morning joe" starts right now. >> to some of us, doing the right thing in congress is not about helping a political party. it's about trying to help the people that will elected us. it's about trying to do what's right for the whole country. and if your heart doesn't break when you read these stories and when you take the phone calls, and if your heart doesn't --

>> oh, man. that could be "the daily show." that could be "snl." but it's actually real. >> who is it? >> yes, it is congress. good morning, everyone. time to wake up, sleepyhead. it's friday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set is, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" eugene robinson here with us in new york. that's nice. msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, haired ford junior and in washington -- it's time to have your corn flakes. senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post," sam stein. and john heilemann is in a gutter somewhere, but he'll be here in a moment. >> get directv. >> knows what he's doing. we'll get to the latest on the government shutdown in a moment.

first, that dramatic scene on capitol hill streets yesterday where a woman who is suspected of trying to run down a white house barricade was eventually shot and killed on the streets near the senate. it all began yesterday afternoon with reports of shots fired near the hart center building on constitution avenue. the capital went on lockdown. legislators and staffs were told to take shelter. when the dust settled, law enforcement say a woman by the name of miriam carey tried to ram her car through an outer white house barricade and then took off at speeds reaching 80 miles per hour. her car came to a stop as secret service and "uss capitol police surrounded her. she backed up and took off again hitting an officer and later killed in a hail of gunfire, unarmed despite earlier reports she may have fired a gun. the police found an 18-month-old girl believed to be her daughter

in the car. thankfully, the girl was unharmed. the question now turns toian carey act add the way she did. here's what we know so far. she was a dental hygienist living in stamford, connecticut, but recently let go by her former employer, a dentist who says she suffered a fall in january of 2012. he says when she came back, she was pregnant and never the same. she was fired last fall after complaints from patients she was being too long rough with them. police searched her home in stamford, connecticut, even deploying bomb robots. it's not clear what she was doing in washington. >> nbc news capitol hill correspondent who is in his office during the incident and heard shots fired, luke russert, talk about the scene and what you saw. >> well, joe, yesterday around 2:20 p.m., i was in my office and heard four loud pops and banks. it caused me to stand up.

i looked outside and i saw policemen with guns drawn running towards the noise they heard as well as a few dozen tourists down on tear stomachs on the ground, and then after a few minutes, the cops told them to run towards independence avenue. i caught part of the car chase, saw the capital police mobilize trying to follow the car. the dramatic video you guys have seen. a few minutes later something i've never seen in my entire life, an actual helicopter from the park police landed on the mall and medevac'd the police officer injured in this melee. yesterday around 2:30 p.m., the business of the house representatives came to a grinding halt. we were all told to shelter in place within the building. so folks like nancy pelosi, members of congress sheltered in place on the house floor and did not get out of recess till 3:30 p.m. so this incident, which was certainly scary to say the least, that and a lot of tension stopped the mechanisms of government for occurring for

about an hour in the house of representatives. one of the most interesting tidbits of all of this, that capitol hill policeman medevac'd for doing his job which the chief said in a heroic manner, he will not be paid until the shutdown is over. so you literally had capitol hill policemen yesterday putting their lives on the line, putting themselves and defending the tourists and us inside the building and they will not get paid till after the shutdown. quite an amazing thing. >> god, that is really shameful. luke, stand by. we'll be talking about that now. you might want to chime in. each passing day, congress is unable to fund the federal government, makes it more likely the final compromise will also include a solution on the debt ceiling. john boehner has reportedly told lawmakers he will not allow the government to default even if it means relying on democratic votes. meanwhile, the president has canceled his trip to southeast asia to focus on the shutdown.

yesterday, he upped the pressure on boehner during an event in rockville, maryland. the president argued that ending the shutdown is within reach. and in the speaker's hands. >> there are enough republicans and democrats in the house of representatives today that if the speaker of the house, john boehner, simply let the bill get on the floor for an up or down vote, every congressman could vote their conscience, the shutdown would end today. the only thing that's preventing all that from happening right now today in the next five minutes, is that speaker john boehner won't even let the bill get a yes or no vote because he doesn't want to anger the extremists in his party. >> the president later tweeted tea party extremists caused this boehner shutdown. it quickly drew the ire of conservatives including

congressman justin i mash who retweeted the note saying way to uphold the dignity of the office. >> that is interesting timing when john boehner, my so tweet yesterday was way to go john, when he said i am not going to let the country default. >> and basically told all the extremists thattent waed to let the country default, no. and then the president -- it's weird that the president decided to target john boehner yesterday after boehner did what i thought was. >> pretty courageous. >> he's keeping the pressure on. >> yeah, it was. that was odd. i actually was talking to senior administration officials yesterday, and it was a somewhat different tone in that they said they were standing firm, but the vibe i was getting was let's find a way for john baner to get out of this.

i think that's still beak the way. >> that tweet -- first of all, a president tweeting. secondly, saying you know, talking about "extremists," calling it the boehner shutdown. >> do you think the president was on his phone tweeting? >> it's not the bane irshutdown. he doesn't want the shutdown. but anyway -- >> i think that's -- >> but i think if you take that all together yesterday, it was not great news for federal employees because it's going to last an highway, but better news for the full faith and credit of the country. >> i this i so the. >> because it sounds like, if you put it all together, you can probably find a face-saving way for the republicans to get out. >> the obviously, a lot of the business leaders of the country were relieved that boehner turned to, you know, his people and said, listen, you guys are not going to screw with the full faith and credit of the united states of america. >> it showed a profile in

courage moment for the speaker. and it was just odd. i think the president, what he was trying to say, given the benefit of the doubt, but it doesn't help boehner to have the president claim that he's being held hostage by tea party extremists even if it is probably partially true and at the same time, have the speaker saying look, i'm mature enough to know there's certain things we cannot do. you would hope bigger mature smarter heads could come together. >> the thing is -- but -- >> the things he was saying during the speech are just -- >> if you're dealing with another side that's -- that it is. >> unstable at times. >> unstable at times, has unstable element. when they show stability. >> when you have a stable moment there i don't thing you want to zing him in public. >> you don't want to push him down. >> do we have to have our high

elected officials go through hostage negotiations training? basically. >> i'm not -- i agree with the concept of, you know, try not to poke someone when they're finally showing some signs of intelligence, but at the same time, you know, the speaker like imitated the president the other day. that was incredibly disrespectful. we could go on about that. but why don't we just move on. as one side waits for the other to blink -- it's nice to see heilemann here, isn't it? >> i'm sorry. i gave the car people the wrong address. >> thanks. that's way too much information. >> there was a lot of -- >> they thought you meant it the other opium den. >> there's a lot of them in brooklyn. they get confused where to pick me up in the mornings. sorry about that. >> wow. okay. he overslept. as one side waits for the other to blink in the shutdown, the entire senate delegation from kentucky was caught with live

mics discussing strategy. >> do you have a second? >> i'm all wired up here. >> i just didn't see an end. i just go over and over again, we're willing to compromise and negotiate. i don't think they poll tested we won't negotiate. i think it's all of for them to say that over and over again. >> i do, too. i just came back from a two-hour meeting from him and that was basically the same view privately. >> if we keep saying we wanted to defund, it we fought for that, and now we're willing to compromise, i think -- i know we don't want to be here, but we're going to win this i think. >> what do you think about that? >> i think it's kind of awesome i'm wired up here but let's have the conversation anyway. >> and rand paul says. >> it's kind of excellent. >> mike barnicle offers a course on this whenever he wants to talk about anybody, he takes his mic off and huts it in his pocket. i learned that a long time ago. you have the conversation once

your mic's in the pocket. >> every microphone is always live. >> exactly. >> near your mouth, it's live. >> just ask the live prime minister. >> reporter: the we're all wired up here, guys. >> we're going to win this. >> who's winning and losing here in the republicans are saying we're going to win this. it certainly doesn't look that way to most people observing. we haven't heard from you. >> the republicans are losing. >> why? >> because the country's against them. they are -- the country's against them and all of the -- it's weird that they don't seem to get the calendar, right? i mean, when they fought this battle the last time. 2011, they were fighting against a president who was in the position of vulnerability. he had to run for re-election in 2012. so the threats they were able to bring against him put him in a position where if he pushed them to the limit and they crashed the economy it would hurt him in

his re-election in 2012. the president's not running for re-election and there's an intervening election, a congressional election in 2014. the public opinion polls are clear about who's winning the battle right now. >> show that first one about people i supporting the shutdown, how many people support the shutdown. dee dee myers yesterday gave a fantastic litany about why did the republicans do this? they lost one presidential race, they lost another presidential race. they lost senate races. all the polls are against them. here is -- and by the way. >> hard call. >> let's keep that up for a second. this is not -- i said this from the very beginning as "the wall street journal" and the litany of conservatives i've been talking about that agree with me. we've been saying this for several weeks. this many isn't about ideology. none of us, none of us conservatives like obama care. okay, we're with you. we're with you. i also -- i don't, you know,

like cancer. right? but me going up and banging my head against the wall is not going to end cancer. it's irrational. >> forget about all the histrionics, they're playing a losing hand and playing it badly. it's just a neutral fact. they're playing it horribly. >> nothing to do with ideology. >> the impact may be to ensure that rand paul and mitch mcconnell if he gets re-elected remain in the minority in the senate because the house republicans are in their safe seats. they're not in that much danger. a few of them might be, but by and large, they're okay. but you know, the republican party could have taken the senate next year. >> let's now get some other perspective on this. sam stein and then luke chime in. think about the open mic moment you heard, the arguing over the tweets. the bigger picture is the

capitol hill police working for no money putting lives on the line and the many others dealing with the shutdown in a very real way. sam, you first. >> yeah, i think it's taking a toll right now. you see republicans going to this piecemeal approach. they recognize the cuts have a human cost. so they're trying to change the politics around this discussion saying we'll willinging to fund nih, reopen the world war ii memorial, do this for the capitol hill police, and the president saying no, we need a full approach. we can't just piecemeal fund the government. i think the republicans recognize there is damage being done here. and that they need to change the topic away from obama care and say we are for opening parts of the government. and the president is not. i think that's actually pretty interesting change in the tone of this debate. i don't know how much effect it's going to having because the president is adamant he's not going to sign a bill unless it funds the full government. i think that moment indicated.

>> luke? >> this whole shutdown was over the president's health care law. that's the last thing anyone's talking about now. there's a lot of members who are very apprehensive about that saying we had a gift handed to us with the website crashing but no one was talking about that because the focus was on the shutdown. one member said look, what these guys wanted, these 95 or so was a big pickett's charge before the health care became law so they went back to their districts and said we did everything possible to try and stop it. when you do everything to try and stop it, you amass a lot of human cost. you're starting to see that play out. at the end of the day, what do they get in return for this strategy? john boehner said yesterday to "the new york times" they're going to raise the debt limit. they lost their best negotiating position. it's difficult to see what they get out of all of this.

is it a repeal of the medical device tax? i don't think they're going to get chain cpi because democrats are holding firm. we usually expect democrats to cave. this is not 2011. they're not going to give $2 trillion away with no revenue. fascinating see how this all plays out and how boehner emerges from it. >> let's just call it what it is, this is the ted cruz strategy. i'm kind of tired of people in the mainstream media telling me that ted cruz, it may be bad for the party but it's great for ted. no, it's not. no, it's not. this guy is isolated on capitol hill. may i remind americans that think this is great because there's a flash, there's a flash, yeah, oh, look at the flash. look at that shiny flash. let's run to the shiny flash. it must be great and that shiny

flash is going to be sustainable. i remind everybody michelle bok mab won the iowa straw poll. i remind everybody here that sarah palin was in first place for a very long time and then was herman cain in first place and then donald trump was in first place for several weeks. you can going down the list. newt gingrich won south carolina. >> what is your point, joe? i mean, donald trump is our new president. he's doing -- >> exactly. my point is that this sort of activity is a great starter. it is a great starter. it is a terrible finisher. mike lee, mike lee is going to have influence in the united states senate i think for a very long time because people respect mike lee and tenth think that this is all about mike lee running for president. but all this stuff about listen, republicans as luke just said, they gave up their best negotiating position with the debt limit because of this

terrible strategy that everybody warned republicans against. except for ted cruz, marco rubio, mike lee, and 30 or so people in the house. >> and what you're saying is paying off or not paying off for republicans as you warn because increasingly republican fund raidsers are feeling pressure from most of their loyal donors to really stop because of the politics behind the shutdown. "the daily beast" article quotes major donor who have deep reservations or who have stopped giving all together because of the growing tea party influence and what they see is the group's impact on handling the shutdown. one donor from houston said republicans misread the mood of the country going into the shutdown, adding, we are finding a marvelous way to grab defeat from the jaws of victory. another donor who hosted fund-raisers for paul ryan tom cotton and eric cantor says she

is done giving money to the national republican congressional committee saying "when you have a small segment who dictate to the rest of the country, the result is what we've seen in the last two days." >> harold ford, this is about winning. these people are angry for the same reason i've been angry, not because of ideology but because of stupidity. it's about winning. they want to win. this is not helping our chances. >> two conversations. you're having a conversation about national electoral success. this obviously imperils that. watching mcconnell and rand paul talk about local parochial races, rand paul is as important to anyone who ensure mcconnell is able to succeed. that opponent he has, if rand paul suggests he finds that opponent appealing, it hurts mcconnell. you've been spot on now for several months. the question is, when does that seep into the other part of the party for the other

conversation? the way these districts are drawn are important. think about that, reflect on that and perhaps offer a national solution. we're not going to get beyond the silly is, petty, small-minded conversation in congress till the republican party is able to embrace the bigger conversation about national electoral success. >> winning the white house back. >> in the strategic sense as you alluded earlier, obama care, you know, i happen to think obama care is great. but a lot of people don't and people can have principled reasons for that. but here was an opportunity for republicans to portray obama care as a total failure. and you know, because the website doesn't work, which is kind of silly. the website doesn't work on the first day. therefore it's a total failure. but that would have been the narrative. first impressions are important. >> they missed that whole opportunity. >> completely missed. because the websites are going to be functioning fine by the time we get this thing solved. meanwhile, people are flooding

to the site because guess what, they need health insurance. >> it's going to be cheaper than anything they've had an opportunity to have. okay. luke thank you, by the way, for standing by. thanks for being on this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you, always a pleasure. >> for the first time this hurricane season, the gulf coast is on alert because tropical storm karen is churning in the gulf and could strengthen into a hurricane before making landfall. preps are now under way from louisiana through the florida panhandle. let's go to bill karins tracking the storm. bill? >> good morning, mika. over the warm waters of the gulf, this is a spot where we could get a strong storm. we've had a lot up towards the pensacola, mobile area. ivan is probably one of the stronger ones that hit. but this one is dealing with dry air and wind shear. thankfully overnight it actually weakened. it's still going to be possibly high end tropical storm or a low end category 18 hurricane at landfall.

it doesn't look impressive. it's being sheered apart right now. that's great news. not showing any signs of intensification anytime soon. here's the forecast path. does take it up towards the gulf coast saturday night into sunday morning. as far as the winter storm goes, this is a crazy forecast. i got a tropical storm to talk about, a blizzard and tornado possible outbreak later this evening. snow is falling from casper, wyominging to rapid city. possibly one to two feet of snow in the beginning of october. late today, watch out in iowa, especially the northern half. could get isolated tornadoes and back down to kansas city. for mika and joe, you have your interests along the gold coast. . the panama city, pensacola area, this will not be a devastating storm but a lot of heavy rain and gusty winds. >> bill, thank you very much. coming up on "morning joe,"

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time now to take a look at the morning papers. from our parade of papers, "the washington post", a small ship packed with up to 500 migrants traveling from africa caught

fire, capsized and sachk off the coast of italy, killing at least 114 people. rescuers managed to save 150 of the migrants but over 100 are still unaccounted for. >> and the oregonian, portland police released a video of a deadly traffic shoot-out from the august. the stopped driver walked over to the police car and just started firing away. the military veteran then sped away with his three children inside. van allen was later found dead in his car, shot in the chest. the officer was also wounded but has since recovered. >> "usa today" twitter's ipo filing -- ipo filing revealed the company is growing quick but also spending a lot of money. last year the company spent nearly $80 million. twitter is expected to start trading by november and plans on raising $1 billion. my goodness.

>> to do that. and the seattle times microsoft ceo steve ballmer only received 79% of his offense for the fiscal year, a sign of the company's falling profits. the company reported weak sales for its windows 8 software and the surface tablet. other top microsoft executives received 100% or more of target bonuses. microsoft right now is searching for its next ceo after ballmerer announced plans to retire. >> instagram will soon begin to feature advertisements. the company announced plans to ease into the roll out. eventually users will see video content from brands they don't follow. users will be able to close the ads and why they did not like it. >> from the sacramento bee, jerry brown signed a law allowed undocumented citizens to get driver's license ten years after former governor arnold schwarzenegger repealed the measure before it took effect. it's expected as many as 1.4

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but state leaders that are currently in power are forcing people to opposite corners to prepare for a fight instead of coming together to get things done. i'm asking you to dream of all that we can accomplish together. i'm asking you to believe that the best of texas is yet to come. >> a recent poll shows davis trialing the presumptive republican nominee greg abbott by eight points. what kind of chance does she have, do you think? >> you know, her message was bringing texas together but in order to have viability, i think at least nationally what she's going to do is something like what elizabeth warren did in massachusetts is make herself a symbol for the willingness of liberals to be tough and to stand up and fight for their values. you know, always going to be somebody i think given the general ideological drift of texas that's changing a little bit with the hispanic vote, very

conservative state. this is a really tough uphill climb for her not just in terms of polls but also financially. the way she's going to compete is running a national race to get money from around the country in to help her candidacy. a lot of people inspired by her filibuster against abortion restrictions, made her almost overnight a national figure. >> john, she talked about the divisions of washington. right now, there's a lot of bad blood on capitol hill between party leader over the shutdown. talk about how bad it is. >> well, it's terrible. john bresnahan has a great story, if you like bitterness, family bickering, bresnahan's story is catnip. this is not just an ideological fight anymore. not a policy fight. it's not a fiscal fight but his story makes clear up on capitol hill, it's a personal fight. boehner and reid can't stand each other. their staffs cannot stand each other. speaking of the democratic

colleagues at a closed-door session yesterday, reid said look, boehner is a coward. he's a coward virtually shouting. the reid's -- boehner's staff in bresnahan's story uses a barnyard epithet. we wrote it in politico. i don't think i can say it on the air in "morning joe" but used choice words to say what they think of reid for leaking private e-mails they say. >> wow. >> wow, that is -- that's tough. >> john harris, have a good weekend. >> he could use a barnyard epithet here. >> perhaps. >> thank you so much. coming up next, peter gammons is here. that means it's time to talk playoff baseball. he's with us next when "morning joe" comes back. got a lot to talk about. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz:

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here's the 2-1. and a fly ball hit down the right-field line. close to the foul pole. and this ball is gone! it's a home run! >> in the air to center field. pretty well hit. heyward back to the track, and that ball is gone! >> mike, where was that guy last

year? come on. >> well, he never hits home runs when the club is behind or when you meed him to tie the game. a go ahead home run. he is who he is. >> when he's up 14-1, he'll take it to deep center. >> he will take it out. ask peter gammons. >> this guy's like elvis. he's secluded in the gates of -- his own version of graceland. you know, big musician. >> he play, you know. >> i know he plays. you don't have to tell me he plays. >> there he is, look. we got him. he's right him. >> i wonder if it's him or like cy and the wolf blitzer holograms. are you real peter, this morning? >> or like prin sis layia. >> so a lot of people looking forward last night to the braves game. braves and dodgers. but dodgers blew them out. >> well, you start with clayton kershaw. he is the best pitcher in baseball and has been for three years. i mean, you also have to

understand, the dodgers are very good even though they've got kemp and ethier out. but the braves haven't won a postseason series since 2001. they've lost seven straight series. and 35 or 40% of their payroll has either been taken off the roster, sitting on the bengie or is injured. it's a hard match-up for them. and the dodgers are as -- our columnist chuck todd will tell us, really good. >> talk about don mattingly. does he win the world series ever as a player for the yankees. in a huge trade last year, took on a quarter billion dollars and then they had a horrible start. how close was this guy from getting fired? >>. >> well, stan caston, the dodger president has maintained it wasn't that close but it was speculated a lot about. it was really disappointing to me because the thing about don matting is he is so trusted by players. managing a baseball team is not,

you know, playing computer games. it's about dealing with people. and mattingly is tremendous at it. there were a lot of personalities on that dodger team that, you know, he has to work around at different times. i think that the way the team played in the second half is not only a reflekds of having kershaw and greinke and rule less here, top three pitchers but a reflection of how much the players trust mattingly and knew in the end it would work out, and it has. >> peter, talk about an incredible october organization that because they don't play in the limelight of los angeles, new york, chicago, or boston, the st. louis cardinals. i mean, that organization, the young pitchers they throw out there, the way they've maintained the excellence of their lineup through the years, what an incredible job that guy has done. >> it is tremendous. but this is -- this organization is so steeped in history. it goes all the way back to branch rickey originating the farm systems. they have people that worked and developed there. their scouts have been there for

years. it's just -- they keep -- right now, they may have the best bull pen in baseball with three kids, all of whom are making the minimum. three of their five starters in the playoffs are probably guys making the minimum. i mean, it's remarkable what they've done to keep the development going. and it's such a great baseball city. i mean, st. louis has had some downtown problems. we all understand that in the rust belt, but those cardinal fans come from all around the country into st. louis. and they're probably the team that could beat the dodgers in the national league. >> yeah. >> i think that that would be a great playoff series. >> yeah. >> sam stein. >> enough of this nl stuff. let's talk about the al, okay? let's talk about the red sox and the rays. as a red sox fan, i am petrified that we drew the rays. their pitching seems pretty solid. a bigger question for you, the existential question of baseball, do you throw money to build a team or do you build it

up from the roots? this seems like one of those case studies of the rays build up through the roots. the red sox have a lot of money. how do you feel that will question is being played out in the post money ball era you could call it? >> i think what you're seeing is that the changing is teams are going to that model of okay, develop an organization, go from the top all the way down to the bottom. i mean, i think the indians have started to do it. that's why they were successful. the rays have done it brilliantly. the red sox in the last couple years have completely gone over to being an organizational development franchise. they have one of the five highest payrolls in baseball. i understand that, but they've gone in that direction, too. but i mean, the red sox have been the best team in the american league during the season. and they're very difficult to play in the postseason because they're so patient. 750 more pitches than any team in baseball during the season. but tampa has been the thorn in

their side beginning with beating the red sox in the alcs in 2008, knocking them out in 2011, which sent terry francona to cleveland and theo epstein to chicago. matt morris starts tonight. starts this afternoon. i mean, he shut them out in july and they're 14-2 with him pitching on the road. then you go david price and alex cobb. there is no given when you're playing tampa bay. most people have no idea who more than evan longoria and david price really are on that team. >> it's heilemann here. i'm not going to ask you the question like sam stein. i'm not that deep. i just like to hear your picks on all four series >> i will go boston, detroit, because i think detroit's power pitching will really play out in october. dodgers, cardinals, and i actually think in the end, detroit's pitching gets them to the world series. and i think that in the end, the

dodgers' great pitching gets them to the world series. >> mike, what do you think? >> i don't disagree with peter. detroit comes at you with scherzer, verlander and anna bell sanchez who has flown under the radar but he might be the best of the three this year. but my big thing is i have to get 206 people into the ball game this many afternoon with no tickets. >> that's a problem. >> pirates have any chance to beat the cards? >> no. >> they might. >> i'm not one of them. >> i know. >> i got my own ticket. >> pete is always helpful in that regard. >> mlb network's peter gammons, thank you. they will exclusively air game two between the cardinals and pirates today at 1:00 p.m. coming up next, josh green joins us to explain why he says the republican party is no longer the party of business. the must read opinion pages are next. ♪

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all right, time now for the must read opinion pages. >> hold on. what do you mean old? how old is he? >> like 62. >> yes, in his 60s. >> i'm going to go to the google. that's what i hear the kids do. he's old. i go how old is he? he goes well, he's older than you. like i'm grandpa walton or something. come on. >> all right. guys -- >> that's a name out of the past. >> is bryan cranston like the greatest actor of all time? >> wilford brimly, that's who you think of as the old guy. >> i have two must reads. here with us now from washington, from bloomberg business week josh green who

writes in the latest issue of the magazine, be the shutdown is costing the u.s. economy $300 million a day. according to ihs, a global market research firm and it's only the latest sign suggesting that the old adage republicans are the party of business no longer holds true. from the austerity imposed by the sequestration to the refusal to reform immigration laws to the shutdown and now as appears likely another debt ceiling showdown, when the u.s. borrowing authority expires on october 17th, the gop's actions have put a strain on one of its most valuable partners, the business community." josh, good to have you on. you make a pretty good point. harold, do you agree? >> i do. you know, the republican party over the last two cycles have seen not only a democratic party that is on the ascend answer in the business community for the reasons that josh laid out in the piece, but really the wounds that republicans have suffered have been self-inflicted as the

democrats have been offering a kind of plan and a way for the business community to embrace them. whatever you want to say about obama, his posture and tone has been unarguably tough towards the business community but his policies -- i remember at the beginning of the his term, card check was the biggest concern. that didn't materialize. so i think you have a democratic party that finds itself in greater favor with the business community. >> josh, the business community, they had several ceos came to the white house a couple days ago, met with the president and other administration officials. you get the sense in talking to some ceos that while they view what's going on on capitol hill as deeply troubling as most americans do, there's not the fear about it right now as there was a couple of years ago because i don't know, they think these guys are such clowns that they will not take it over the edge? what's your view? >> i think there is a dangerous

complacency among some people, more on wall street than the business community generally. because their view of washington is congress is a bunch of idiots but at the end of the day they'll do the safe thing and figure it out. there is a real danger time though that you have so much pressure from kind of the ted cruz tea party wing of the party that i'm not sure that are we will escape disaster this time around. if you look at some of the market indicators, not just the dow jones average but also the cost of insurance against a default on u.s. bonds, it skyrocketed over the last couple days. even wall street is waking up to the possibility this could be really damaging. >> joe, listen to the "washington post" editorial, essential workers deserve more. secret service personnel, capital police and probably many others rushed toward and not away from danger like hundreds of thousands of other federal employees, these are men and women whose contributions have been demeaned by the federal shutdown who are being asked to work without at least for the

moment being paid and who are doing their jobs with considerably more dignity than the house of representatives has mustered. we all owe the capital police a debt of grat you'd for their work every day. no finer examples of professionalism and bravery tweeted house speaker john boehner. that's true. but mr. boehner owes them and the rest of the federal workers more than 1 40b character message of thanks. he owes them a paycheck. he owes them a budget. he owes them an apology. >> i think that's why some of us believe that they should make progress wherever they can make progress even while this bigger fight's going on and probably dag on a couple weeks till we figure out exactly what to do with the debt ceiling but whether it's funding d.c. which has passed the house, whether it's funding the va which passed the house or whether it's funding the national institutes of health which has passed the house, whether it's funding the park services to keep the park services open, that's already

passed the house. these things have passed the house. it's not perfect. i know there's still a minority in the republican party that's holding everything else back. but get what you can get done. >> joe, do we know if the members of congress are being paid during this time? >> yes. >> it's interesting. they're getting paid and just to point out almost half of the 535 members of congress, according to "the new york times" are millionaires. >> i don't begrudge them on that. >> they're out of touch. >> but they're being paid during this time and people entrusting them are not. if you want to talk about salaries, we can do that about around the table. >> josh green, let's talk about people suffering right now and in so doing, i'm wondering whying this republican effort to pass these separate bills, it doesn't seem to be taking hold at all. is the white house betting on

that, that the republicans are not going to gain traction because they just pass that clean cr. >> i think so. any bill that passed undermines the larger democratic strategy of just saying we are not going to negotiate with a gun to her head. we're going to force this clean cr, clean debt ceiling raise. i write about that this week. there's real damage being done to the republican party, among a pillar of the party that so far hasn't been alienated. we've talked since the election how republicans are putting off immigrants, young people, minorities, suburban women. now you have kind of pillar of the community small business types who look at washington, who see the shutdown, who see the fact that it's causing $300 million a day, killing consumer confidence, and hurting the bottom line. i had one furnituremaker ceo in hair rolled's home state of

tennessee. >> in chattanooga. >> chattanooga saying he was done with the republican party. he considered house republicans to be suicide bombers with the american economy. so i think there's a real danger here that's really not getting a lot of attention in kind of the day-to-day coverage of the shutdown so far and something the gop feeds to worry about. >> josh green, thank you very much. >> thank you, josh. >> coming up, the white house says the obama care glitches are nothing to worry about and that the rollout was still a success. a top advisor will join us to explain why. more on "morning joe" when we come back. lyrics: 'take on me...' ♪ ♪ 'take me home...'

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government shutdown should end before obama refuses to shut it down. ? you say he should refuse to end it before it ends. >> no, he shouldn't refuse it. he should just end it before it ends. >> do you think it's right that president obama refuses to end the government shutdown until the government shut down ends. >> hell, i think it's wrong man. >> so you're saying it should end before obama refuses to shut it down. >> it should end it quick. >> do you think it should end before he ends it. >> ends before it ends. >> as long as it ends before he ends it you're good? >> yes. >> welcome back to "morning joe"ing >> day four. >> that was so impressive. >> that's some lucas. >> that's called television coverage. john heilemann, eugene robinson, and harold ford junior are still with us, along with sam stein in washington. and joining us now from south

bend, indiana, former senior advisor to president obama and director of the university of chicago's institute of politics, and msnbc contributor david axelrod. good to have you on board this morning, david. >> good to be here. >> david, let's really quickly break it down. where do we stand here? i'm asking you as a political analyst, not as a friend and long-time advisor to barack obama. what are the dangerous of both sides? obviously the dangers republicans face much greater than the dangers democrats face. no false equivalency here. but what would you be warning the white house about if you were on the inside this morning? >> well, here's the dilemma, joe. both sides have in certain ways painted themselves into a corner. i think the president has by necessity. but you know, you've established the principle, no negotiations at the point of a gun. and the shutdown, no threat of a

debt ceiling fight. and then let's talk. the republicans need a poll to slide down to get out of this predicament they've put themselves in. you and others said if you make the affordable care act the target, this is only going to end badly. and it's ended badly for them. now they're looking for a way out. so for the president is how do you give them a way out without sacrificing the principle that you've established, which is we're pot going to negotiate at the point of a gun. it's very, very tricky to navigate through that. >> what do you tell the president as an advisor, under no circumstances can you back down because if you negotiate, your presidency in effect is over? would you tell him that? >> i believe strongly that he should hang firm on then principle. i think it's really important. and as i he said, it's not just for him but for the future. if you back down now, the signal it sends is that every time we

come to these junctures that it's a legitimate tactic and productive one to hold the president and the country and the economy hostage. i don't think you can allow that to happen. >> you can't let that happen. you just can't. >> let me ask you this, david. you're in the town where notre dame obviously is. you decide this morning to take a walk around the famous football stadium. you trip on some of the fabled steps. you hit your head and you're suddenly a republican. what advice do you give to republicans in the house today? how do they get out of this without completely. >> saving some face. >> saving some face and not looking like it was a completely botched operation? >> i'd say a few things. first of all, they miss add opportunity because they actually won a victory when the democrats in the house and senate agreed to a short-term continuing resolution spending bill at the levels that the republicans demanded.

that was a victory. and they breezed right past it, and they never claimed it. i still think that that's a victory for them, but obviously, they believe that they need more than that. i see them suddenly trying to shift the discussion away from the affordable care act to a larger discussion about budget, and of course, if you're going to have a fight over the budget, over the debt ceiling, it should be about the budget, right? not about your extraneous ideological fetishes. so they're trying -- >> they shifted the discussioning >> this doesn't have to get personal, david. >> wow. >> talking about me that way. what's going on. >> it's just weird. let's open it up to the table. fetishes, john heilemann. >> even when david has amnesia, he still comes back to being a democrat. >> he can't do it. >> gentlemen, here's what charles krauthammer writes in the "washington post." who shot down yellowstone? i don't agree with current

republican tactics. i thought the defunding demand impossible and therefore, foolish. tactics are one thing. but substance is another. it's the democrat who have mocked the very notion of settled law. it's the democrats who voted down the reopening of substantial parts of the government. it's the democrats who gave live to a spontaneous authentic small government opposition, aka the tea party with their unilateral imposition of a transform nation it will agenda during the brief interval when they held the monopoly of power. that interval is over. the current unrest is the residue of that hubris. >> jean robinson, i'm going to ask you to talk about charles krauthammer. we don't talk about people we work with. let's do that with the post. what do you think about his column? >> charles is a great columnist. and like great columnists, he can -- he chooses what to emphasize. and he chooses what --

>> is he right. >> and a version of history for example he notes, democrats have refused to open. >> does he talk like that? >> you know how he talks. >> you know charles. i know him. i actually like him a lot. he's like a hero of mine. i never heard him talk like that. >> well, i paraphrase. but you know, he talks about, open the government. you know, those bills were brought up in a way that required a two-thirds majority to pass. so that the house democrats couldn't attach a clean resolution which would pass. so they were passing a way to avoid the vote that would have opened the whole government. look, his basic point, i mean, if you trace the derivation of the tea party, the moment of its birth, it was actually born before obama care. obviously it got bigger because

of the fight over obama care. >> right. >> this is something democrats, obama care or universal health care, democrats have wanted it for decades. and they got it. >> yeah. okay. so speaking of different point of view and everyone kind of emphasizes what they want to emphasize, here's what you write in the "washington post." sam stein, take it from here. john boehner's turn to give in. republicans in congress are like a dog that chases cars and finally catches one. there's a fleeting sense of accomplishment followed by sheer panic. god bless representative marlon stutzman for at least being honest. we're not going to be disrespected he told the washington examiner. we have to get something out of this. and i don't even know what that is. nobody knows what the house republicans' goal might be at this point. so far they have managed to shut down the government and maintain enough unity in their ranks to prevent an open revolt by

moderates and they also succeeded in getting democrats to fund the government at harply refused sequester lesks but for some reason they renounced this victory. >> gene robinson says the dog that -- >> does he talk liking that --? >> that sounded like charles krauthammer. >> they are kind of like. >> elocution school together, by the way. >> you and krauthammer talk a lot alike when other people are talking about you. they are kind of like the dog that catches the car. michele bachmann gleefully said this is exactly what we wanted. this is what they've been talking about, and yet, they were warned over and over and over and over again that would end in disaster. what do they do now? >> that's a really good question. >> what are they telling you on the hill. >> what does michele bachmann tell me on the hill. >> i suspect you talk to more than just michele bachmann. what do republicans on the hill tell you? >> it depends who you talk to.

some of the republicans i talked to on monday night were very enthusiastic about having this fight. others were cautious and upset they were put into the situation. and i think david got to the an important point, which is what do you do now? do you give them an outclause? does the president say have this concession and then we can not fund the -- you can refund the government. and my question for david is, who do you engage in the house republican caucus? obviously john boehner and barack obama, president obama are having a difficult time talking. if you were there, would you advise the administration officials and advise the president to reach out to the 20 and 30 moderate members? do you engage the house conservatives holding this up? how do you go about creating the conversation that might facilitate an end to this? >> well, those discussions i'm sure are going on within the congress, the moderate republican members and democratic members. here's the problem. the problem is you have a civil war within the republican party and within the republican caucus.

and boehner is trying to navigate his way through that. i don't know that the president -- and that's holding everything up. i don't know that the president can be that useful in terms of resolving that issue. i think boehner has to resolve to work with those members in his caucus who are willing to work with him to bring this to an end. at some point, you have to turn to those 20, 30, 40, 80 tea party members and say listen, we got responsibilities here. this is killing the republican party. i got to believe that their congressional ballot numbers in polling have shifted dramatically in the last couple of weeks. while many of those members don't have to worry about re-election, those moderates you mentioned do. and boehner is conscious of that. at some point, he has to take the quhip to these guys and say we've got to bringing this to an end and this is how. i don't know that the president can do that for him. >> don't you hate it when you get talking on a live mic?

it happened. >> yeah. >> yeah, it's bad. it happened with the kentucky senate delegation. take a look. >> do you have a second. >> i'm all wired up here. >> i just didn't see an end. i just go over and over again we're willing to compromise, we're willing to negotiate. i don't think they poll tested we won't negotiate. i think it's all of for them to say that over and over again. >> i do, too. i just came back from a two-hour meeting with him and that was beak the same view privately. >> if we keep saying we wanted to defund it, we fought for that and now we're willing to compromise on this, i think -- i know we don't want to be here but we're going to win this i think. >> that was strategy. they think they're going to win. >> there are still some people on capitol hill who think the republicans are going to win this. there are also children who believe the great pumpkin is going to rise. >> i love the great pumpkin.

>> on october 31st. >> hold it, hold it. the great pumpkin, what are you saying about the great pumpkin? >> he wore his great pumpkin pants, see? aren't they nice? they're pumpkin. >> those are his nantucket pants. >> the key line in rand paul said to me was, i know we don't want to be here. you know, they don't want to be in the situation. and so. >> but rand paul thinks they've got a shot of winning this thing and i'll tell you, some republicans still do. but not the ones that have been in washington when one of these things went down. >> not so much. >> i think the thing that's going to be so fascinating to watch over the course of this month and it goes back to something that david was talking about a second ago is the fate of john boehner and what will happen now. because i think there are a lot of republicans who -- republican really good republican journalists and writers watching this and saying boehner's got one with big move left to make. and probably the move that he

makes when he has to do the thing that david axelrod was talking about which is say okay, we now have to make this deal whether it's in the context of the government shuttup and the debt limit or one or both together or separately, when he makes that move, it's quite likely to cost him his speakership. the moment where he has to do the responsible thing could end up being his down fall within the caucus and that would be a moment i think of great drama in washington. >> i think he's in trouble no matter what. i would hope that he would want to go out like walter white on his own terms. and he could do some very strong things. chuck todd, let's bring in chuck at the white house right now. i think boehner could do some things that actually showed real strength, might cost him the speakership. but you know what? politics is a funny thing. i actually found out over the course of my career, when you actually do what you think is the right thing to do and go 90 miles an hour, you usually win.

my quote to young politicians always was they never stop you when you're going 90 miles an hour. i think boehner showed strength here, some interesting things could happen. >> well, the reason he's kept the moderates from splintering so far is that he's promised them this on the debt ceiling he isn't going to push the envelope, that he isn't going to let the smaller tea party conference dictate the strategy on debt ceilinging and that's how he's gotten them to sort of stick the moderates to stick with them on the shutdown strategy. we'll see. it feels like he's juggling chain saws here, to be honest. i don't -- i don't know how he pulls this off and survives the speakership or saves the republican brand. it's all in his hands. it's all in his lap, what's best for the republican brand is bad for his politics in that conference. and so how do you -- how do you deal with both of them? let's see what happens. they have that meeting today, the conference. you wonder, i do think, joe,

that there's a lot of republicans that feel the way rand paul does, which is you know what? they have a shot at winning some of the spin war or at least they think they're winning the spin war now because i think they're just watching and listening to their supporters tell them, hey, you're winning. great job, great argument. i this i they're in a bubble a little bit right now. we'll see. next week is a whole different story. next week is when the next round of paychecks that are skipped, the first big paycheck that is skipped. i think that's when things could change a little bit. >> chuck, i can tell you going back to '95, '969 shutdowns back then, things got really ugly after a couple of weeks. that's when suddenly conservatives started calling your office screaming because you're right. there was a ripple effect that was impacting small business owners in pensacola because some federal employees that work at the bases -- there is a rippling effect. the longer it goes, the more it hurts. i would like to ask though,

harold ford, what republican on capitol hill really bleebds when you worry about the thing that i'm worrying about right now and that is winning the white house again, making sure hillary clinton is not president for eight years after barack obama's president for eight years, look at this poll. what republican believes this government shutdown is good for the party? 72% of americans disapprove of this federal shutdown. 25% approve. >> which makes it harder to understand or comprehend what the strategy might be right now, the republicans believing they still have a chance to win this. the question for david, playing devil's advocate for one moment, would you have advised the president yesterday some of the comments that suggested i don't think the president was actually on twitter but they suggested he did a twitter message saying something negative towards john boehner. the question i would have, if boehner moves on to some of the comments that john heilemann just raised to be forced out or whatever, who's next? is it easier to governor with

boehner or find a partner with perhaps i think we might both agree that someone may come behind him that would be really bad. >> sounds like we're talking about the middle east here. i don't know. you know, i have to say, again, i don't know that the president can effect that. we're in an instance here where he has to keep the pressure on. but i was interested in what rand paul had to say. he thinks that because the president is saying we don't negotiate at the point of a gun, that somehow they can win that fight. once you put that gun down, the president is willing to talk about a whole range of things. i don't think what the american people are hearing is that the president doesn't want to talk at all. i think they're hearing he doesn't want to talk at the point of a gun, put the down down. as long as he keeps that in balance, i don't think the rand paul scenario will come into play here into david axelrod, thank you very much. chuck todd, thank you, as well. >> chuck the dodgers man. last night they looked great,

didn't they? >> kershaw didn't even have his best stuff and he had 12 strikeouts. those brave hitters apparently you only have to swing for the fences. thank god. >> and texas, iowa state, i'm sure you caught the ending. that bad ending. the cyclones got ripped off at the end there. >> i watched both games. >> i like mike brown. i'm happy for him. >> i watched the braves game twice. it was awesome. >> we'll see you at 9:00. >> you could spend the whole day just watching >> come on, mika. >> with a beer on your belly. >> up next, cnbc's michelle caruso-cabrerra joins us with her thoughts on the looming debt ceiling showdown. she's going to tell us how she really feels. she's just getting started. also, the congressman many say was behind the house plan to tie defunding obama care to the short-term spending bill, republican congressman tom graves will join us. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪

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to some of us, doing the right thing in congress is not about helping a political party. it's about trying to help the people that elected us. it's about trying to do what's right for the whole country. and if your heart doesn't break when you read these stories and when you take the phone calls and if your heart doesn't break. >> time to wake up. it's 25 past the hour. here with us now from capitol hill, everyone's exhausted, republican representative from georgia, congressman tom graves. good to have you on board. here on set, cnbc's michelle caruso-cabrerra who is going to talk about fear mongering in just a moment. first, congressman graves, obviously you led the gop charge

against obama care. could you possibly be satisfied with where this fight is now? >> this isn't one person. we are unified as a republican conference. around a lot of things. number one keeping the government open. we've been passing a lot of legislation that keeps the government open but also protecting constituents from the harmful effects of obama care. what we've been doing in the house is taking components here of late even after the shutdown and passing to the senate. what i'm disappointed in right now the is harry reid's reactions as one of the negotiators assigned from the house, he won't let any democrat come meet with us to have a conversation about where there are area of disagreement. in fact, there are many, many areas we do agree. unfortunately, harry reid is just digging in right now. >> are you good with the strategy of ted cruz? >> we've got a strategy in the house. i'm not sure what you mean, but what we're doing is passing components of the federal government and trying to open it back up.

we took care of the veterans last night, the national guard, the reserves, national parks but yet again, harry reid stands in the way of taking care of our veterans or even. >> you're talking about harry reid. could i ask you about ted cruz and the strategy that he has imposed upon members of his party, and there even was a meeting the other day where he was asked by other senators, what's the end game and he did not have one. are you comfortable with the strategy that members of your party and the senate have taken since you're not comfortable with harry reid's response? >> the end game for all of us is that the democrats at some point have to recognize an important ingredient in a negotiation is they show you. .for whatever reason, they're very uncomfortable in having a conversation with us about the areas we disagree. this is an issue going on for a long time. it's really about fairness if you want to get to the crux of what this is all about. the president has provided delays for his friends for big business, for members of

congress and insurance companies. we just believe it should be applicable to all of america. >> all right. >> congress graves, harold ford. shutting down or stopping the obama care act has been a central part of what you all have said. are you now saying you just harry reid to take up the various single shot pieces of legislation you guys are bringing forth? if you're pursuing this strategy, i would hope you would bring up something to fund the capitol hill police. are you now dropped obama care as the central plank. >> we're talking about opening up the various items of the federal government. >> stopping the defunding obama care, are you all still, that's what her question is all about. is that where house republicans are all about? you can't criticize a democratic senator and not be critical of the republicans. are you still where you were from the outset of this conversation. >> it's interesting to watch the process evolve a little bit is that we put forth mainstream ideas and solutions. we've gone from a full delay.

now we're saying can we not provide americans with a delay of the individual mandate. give them one year to work out all the problems we have. i would say that's what we've been discussing here of recent. the president still refuses to remove that mandate, that compulsion of the american people to buy insurance or otherwise be punish pd when in fact he has removed that requirement from businesses or from members of congress and you no he, we hear a lot about well, it's the law and the president won. the court upheld. there are many components of the law the president is refusing to recognize or delay. we're just saying hey, if you're going to do that for big business, let's give all of america a break too. >> congressman tom graves, thank you very much. what am i missing here? >> i can talk to you about treasuries. >> am i missing here? >> in terms of -- >> you want to talk about the strategy, about the shutdown? you know all politics is local.

so the reason republicans are doing this because at the local level, they think this is going to, senator cruz is playing a long game. he thinks obama care will not go well. if he problems to be right, he can say hey, i stood up and tried to fight it. the rest of you guys went along with it. if it goes well, he loses. >> right. >> that's well said. >> in the process, what do you make of the shutdown and then bring us to the debt ceiling debate. >> okay. so look, i've got a major thought. one major thought which is we keep hearing talk about default. the u.s. treasury put out a report about us defaulting on our debts, very alarmist. default is a very did i have fintive thing. if we do not pay interest on the u.s. government debt. if you pay things late, that's not a default. the chances of default happening are slim to none. we see that in the bond market because if the market thoughts bonds weren't going to get paid, they would be selling them and

they're not. >> here's where the problem is. fear. uncertainty. these are cliches on wall street. >> they impact the economy. >> if investors don't want uncertainty and need an excuse to sell. if they sell or if the cost of bow rowing goes up, people will constrict borrowing. there's a snowball effect. you may be right. >> right. >> but that doesn't mean it could not sti have a drawingic impact on the economy. >> here's where the impact comes. every time the treasury talks about something being so catastrophic, they put it in terms of lehman failure, that bad. chances of that are very, very low. instead they've sold off. >> you don't know. >> you pretty much know. here's why. >> you didn't know what was on the other side of the press piece. and people don't know. >> here's what you do know. in the history of the world, there have been many, many times where governments have lost their ability to borrow. when they lose their ability to borrow and yet have to borrow to fund, they literally have to

balance the budget overnight. you get all this tax revenue in every day. you have to make choices where that money is going to go, right? and what has historically always been the case all over the world, you pay. interest on the debt because gosh, you don't want invest ares to think you're not going to pay it because you need them to start giving you money. you pay the military and you pay social security the elderly. treasury so far has refused to say that would be the priorities. they're saying we don't have the ability to do that. >> all or nothing for them. >> they almost suggest it's technical. this is a government that can read every e-mail, follow every phone call, look at every social interaction but it can't pay u.s. debt before everything else? nobody's going to believe it. you see teeny little movements in short-term rates but not even an eighth of a point, 005 on a one-month bill? i mean, it's hardly catastrop c

catastrophic. i would like it if the bond market would move because everybody would finally come to the table. >> you don't know what's going to to happen. >> it would bring everyone to the table. >> what i'm surprised about, they've used -- look, we've been through this so many times. the white house always says the consequences are dire. usually what they threaten is social security. this time they've tried to work the bond market and wall street that hasn't been very eb because they don't believe it. if you they're then social security, then everybody starts calling in, right? every member of congress is flooded with phone calls. that's what gets people back to the table. >> so a short. >> i don't think that would be true either. >> i do think perhaps catastrophic is overstated unless it progresses. that's fair, right? for a long period of time. >> but possible -- a sharp recession, yes. catastrophic looking into the abyss, no. >> my lord. we bring all points of view. michelle caruso-cabrerra, thank you. come back. coming up, states from lds to

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beautiful. he sa cola. for the first time this hurricane season, the gulf coast, the northern gulf coast on alert because tropical storm karen is churning in the gulf.

col strepgen into a hurricane. i'd give it maybe a 30% chance of doing it right before landfall. preps are under way from louisiana south near the mouth of mississippi through the florida panhandle. pensaco pensacola, jim cantore is located right about in here. as far as pensacola goes, you could be on the right side of where it makes landfall. what are your concerns? >> yeah, bill. i mean, you know, right now as long as the storm stays separated, in other words the center is here and about 100 miles east we have thunderstorms. we anticipate a storm that will strengthen further. our big concerns are with the water and sought so much the water you see behind me coming in under the peer but the water from the sky. if we get 6 to 10 inches of rain, that adds onto the foot surplice we've had. that is the biggest concern. now, regardless of what the storm looks like this morning, everybody is taking this serious. especially yesterday when it was

forecast to become a minimal hurricane, taking the lifeguard stands off the beaches. they've even moved these back here on the pensacola beach. so you know, this is an area that's been accustomed to storms and they're going to take this very, very seriously regardless if it comes in as a wimpy tropical storm or something that may approach even a minimal hurricane. >> jim, you've been doing this for years. if i was to tell you we would have a storm that develops just off the yucatan heading just off the gulf the first of october, it would be worse than this. amazing it's not going to be another bad storm. >> this is the anniversary of opal, 1995, it destroyed this peer behind me. a concrete peer now and made it through ivan. the waves were over the top of it during ivan. you're right. a storm in october in the gulf is a dangerous thing. right now though, karen is just kind cuff wimping along. >> jim cantore there live in pensacola. we'll stay with the storm in case it does anything over the

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very smoothly and i was able to go right through it. >> we're talking about getting on health.gov and signing up for the affordable care act. >> which reports were there were so many glitches, oh, my lord in the roll out. >> mike is saying -- >> joining us from the white house, david sea mus, the deputy senior advisor for communications and strategy. good to have you on the show. >> good an morning. >> we saw the headlines about day one with crashes and glitches and all of that. although barnicle is saying it took him how long? >> the second time i tried it, i had to wait for about ten minutes before it bumped me to the enrollment page. once i got on the page, it went very smoothly even for someone as illiterate as i am on the computer. it was very easy. >> you're not illiterate. >> the david, how is it going? >> here's what we know after 72 hours, we've had over 7 million unique visitors, including mike barnicle come through. it is a volume that no one, no

one anticipated. just for perspective is, southwest airlines in an entire month has 6.4 million unique visitors. nbc in an entire month has 12 million. we had 7 million. so the overwhelming volume has really caused us to more servers, more engineers, tackle the problem. identify the issues, fix them so today is going to be better than yesterday was, and you know, here's another piece of this. we've essentially done 1.5% of the enrollment period. we've got another 178 days left to go. so i feel pretty good about where we are. >> gene? >> david, when are you going to have some numbers about how many people have actually enrolled for insurance besides barnicle? >> so, you know, mike barnicle is a good validation point any day. i'd like to rest on that, but here's what we're going to do.

we're going to spend the next few weeks accumulating data, probably do monthly reports like we do with other programs, you know, with medicaid, medicare, and others and then use that time also. i think this is an important piece, especially for me. to learn what's working in some places and what isn't in other places. and use the data to really drive our response, not only in terms of the experience for folks, but the on the ground activity so we can learn from this initial stage. >> mike barnicle. >> david, in terms of the server when you're bumped to a spec state that has their own setup, has that caused a snag or any mechanical difficulties there? >> so look, this is, as you saw, mike, this is a three-step process. where the holdup has been has been at the initial sage when people try to create the

account. once you create the account, as you saw, you go into the application and the plan compare and it's easy, and it's intuitive and makes a lot of sense. so what we're doing right now, this initial account creation stage, i mean, that's the piece that we're really layering on. and we believe within a couple of days, the wait time is going to be significantly, significantly reduced as we saw from yesterday and the day before. >> david, we'd love to have you back as this progresses to get more numbers on how this is going. hope you can do that. >> i can do that anytime. >> if they need someone to work on tech support, mike's got a lot of time. >> in addition to. >> he's well-known to be a master in java script and c plus plus programming language. >> i also bought a 1956 packard. >> david, thank you very much. >> can you draw a picture? >> david, last word. >> now that barnicle has got his

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welcome to the family. >> please watch welcome to the family. i want to talk about when i was living out in california i had a very long commute from venice all the way to studio city. i was doing a show called yet yes, dear." it would take an hour and i had to start making use of my time. i started to get books on tape. it was a great way. i listened to steven ambrose's story about the transcontinental reporter and it was awesome. i felt like i was learning something. i saw an interview by jack welsh. i got his unabridged auto biography as read by mike barnacle. i listened to mike barnacle about 54 hours. >> wow. >> i could not believe -- >> that's a punishment.

>> he did an amazing job. i did then, i was asked to do a biography of sydney sheldon. it was his auto biography and he created i dream of jeannie and other things. i thought this is so great. it's horrible. it's the longest most horrible thing to do. >> all right. it's a close second. >> and third is from venice. beverly hills, that's a sin. it's horrible. >> mike is also a hand model. >> the problem is when you are doing a book on tape, you have to all of a sudden do the characters in the story. you have to do some characters in that story. >> the problem is you think you will never do it again because you lose your voice after three days and you are so sick of it.

i know you are a success. why didn't you write a short story. >> why didn't he do it? >> it's his life story. >> woe love jack. he e-mails every three minutes. >> i thought he did a great job, mike. >> that was great. >> last night, i liked that. i never watch tv. you're funny. >> thank you very much. it's a show i think a lot of people can relate to. it's a family that becomes a blended family. some families shouldn't be blended. some things mix that shouldn't happen. i play a guy who is 46 who has an 18-year-old daughter who i am happy is going to college. >> just made it. >> i don't want her to leave? get out of the house. i have this renaissance and i top the enjoy time with my wife

and my wife is excited to sleep with me because she took a vow. we are hanging out and i'm very excited because we had sex at a rate of twice in two days. >> wow. >> fiction? >> it's all very exciting and then boom. my daughter is home and she's pregnant. i didn't even know she had a boyfriend let alone she was active in that way. she is hanging out with a guy from stanford who didn't know enough about birth control that he got into stanford and i'm going to be a grandfather at 46. i'm excited. >> welcome to the family. i like the title when it comes up on the screen. it's a wttf. it looks like something else. >> it does. >> when you say blended family, what do you mean by blended?

>> what we mean is sometimes you should not be mixed up with another family. when your sons and daughters go out there in the world, they fall in love with people who are going to be in-laws with people you shouldn't be with. and don't like. people understand that. the show is for anybody who is in a family who may not like someone in their family. >> that are pretty much covers everybody. all right. >> you are also in glee. >> i am. >> back in the days when we used to watch television, actionors and actresses would be on one show. now it seems like you see the same actors popping up on three or four parts that are on network tv at the same time? >> it is. i wouldn't say it's weird. i think it's wonderful. i am all for doing books on tape. we are trying to do a wonderful, more, trying to expand our

business. on glee i'm just a supporting cast member. i play the father of chris's character and i'm really only there once every fee weeks. >> all right. that's amazing. that's work. welcome to the family airs on nbc on thursdays at 8:30, 7:30 central. it's very good. others should try it. and something else. up next -- i don't do that. ambien is not for your use. >> really? >> these things happen. >> you know that. >> tell people you are going t work. >> we are not on yet. >> this was just rehearsal. >> it's like it seems on television. you guys just chilling and hanging out. that's awesome.

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. good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 on the west coast. if you take a live look at new york city. wake up, everybody. it's going to be a beautiful day. we have john heilman, harold ford, jr. and in washington, sam stein. we will get to the latest on the government shut down in just a moment, but first the dramatic scene on capitol hill yesterday where a woman is suspected of trying to run down a white house barricade was eventually shot and killed yesterday afternoon with reports of shots fired. the capitol went on lockdown. legislators and staff were told to take shelter. when the dust settled, law enforcement said a woman named miriam carrey tried to ram her car through a barricade and took

off at 1350espeeds reaching 80 per hour. capitol police surrounded her and she backed off and took off again, hitting an officer. she was later killed in a hail of gunfire, unarmed, despite early reports she may have fired a gun. the police fountain 18-month-old girl believed to be her daughter in the car. thankfully the girl was unharmed. it turned now to why carrey acted the way she did. she was a dental hygienist living in stanford, connecticut. she was recently let go by her employer who said she suffered a fall in january 2012. when she came back, she was pregnant and never the same. she was fired last august after complaints from patients that she seemed too rough with them. police searched her home, even deploying bomb robots, but it's

not clear what she was doing in washington. >> nbc's capitol hill correspondent was in his office during the incident and heard shots fired. luke russert? >> a harrowing scene yesterday. 2:20 p.m. i was in my office that overlooks the west front of the capitol. i heard four loud pops. it made me stand up and i looked outside the window. capitol police had their guns drawn, running towards the noise. they had a few dozen of them get down on their stomach and evacuated them to independence avenue. within about 20 minutes, a helicopter landed on the mall, a capitol hill police officer was medivaced away from the scene. perhaps what was most ironic about that is you had a capitol hill police officer who was hurt in the line of duty yesterday who will not be paid due to the government shut down.

they will not be paid or collect a check until after this is over. it's something that is important to remember. these guys put themselves in harm's way even when they get no paycheck. guys? >> each passing day, congress is unable to fund the federal government makes it likely that final compromise will include a solution on the debt ceiling. house speaker john boehner will not allow the government to default even if it means relying on democratic votes. meanwhile the president canceled his trip to southeast asia to focus on the shut down. he upped the pressure on boehner during an event in maryland. he said it's in the speaker's hands. >> there enough republicans and democrats in the house of representatives that if the speaker of the house john boehner let the bill get on the floor for an up or down vote,

every congressman could vote their conscious, the shut down would end today. the only thing preventing all of that from happening today, in the next five minutes, is that speaker john boehner won't even let the bill get a yes or no vote. because he doesn't want to anger the extremists in his party. >> the president later tweeted tea party extremists caused the boehner shut down and quickly drew the ire of conservatives including a congressman who retweeted saying way to uphold the dignity of the office. here we go. >> interesting timing with john boehner. way to go, john. he said i am not going to let the country default and told all the extremist who is wanted to let it default, no.

it's weird that the president decided to target john boehner yesterday after boehner did what i thought was a courageous thing to do. >> keeping pressure on. >> that was odd. i was actually talking to senior administration officials yesterday. it was somewhat different tone in that they said they were standing firm, but leaving john boehner out of this. that's still basically the way. >> that tweet doesn't -- first of all, a president tweeting. secondly talking about extrem t extremists and third, calling it the boehner shut down. i think we all know it's not the boehner shut down. boehner doesn't want the shut down. anyway.

>> i think if you keep that all together yesterday, it was not great news for federal employees because it's going to last a while. better news for the full faith and credit of the country because it counts like if you put it all together, you can find a way to get out. >> obviously a lot of the business leaders of the country were relieved that boehner turned to 20, 30 people and said listen, you guys are not going to screw with the full faith and credit of the united states of america. >> it showed courage for the speaker. it was just how i think the president what he was trying to say given the benefit of the doubt and i agree with, but it doesn't help boehner to have the president claim that he is being held hostage, even if it's partial low true. >> right. >> at the same time have the speaker say i'm responsible and

mature enough to know there certain things we cannot do. you would hope the bigger, smarter heads can come together. the thing during the speech -- >> you want to hold -- you are dealing with another side that is unstable at times. >> unstable at times. >> when you have a stable element there, i think you want to -- >> listen, i don't want to push you, but do we have to have them go through hostage negotiation training? >> i agree with the concept of try not to poke someone when they are showing signs of intelligence, but at the same time the speaker imitated the president and that was incredibly disrespectful. we could go on and on about that, but we will just move on.

one side waits for the other to blink. heilman is here. >> i gave the car people the wrong address for the key. there was a lot of that. don't mind me. >> we thought you meant the other one. >> there was a lot of them. i get confused where to pick me up. >> wow. wow. okay. as one side waits for the other to blink in the shut down, it was caught with live mikes discussing strategy. >> i'm all wired up here. >> i go over and over here we are willing to compromise and willing to negotiate. you won't negotiate and it's awful. i stated that over and over again. >> i did too and i came back after two hours and it was the

same view privately. >> we keep saying we wanted to defund it and now we are willing to compromise? i know we don't want to be here. >> what do you think about that? >> it's awesome that he said i'm wiring up here and then talked anyway. he took him off course on that. whenever he wants to talk to anybody, he takes his mike off and puts it in his pocket. once your mike is in the pocket you talk. >> every microphone is always live. if it's near your mouth, it's live. >> we are all wired up here, guys. so we are going to win this. >> the republicans are saying we are going to win this and it doesn't look that way to most people.

we haven't heard from you. why? >> because the country is against them. the country is against them and all of the reasons, it's weird that they don't seem to get the calend calendar. when they fought this battle the last time in 2011, they were fighting against a president who was in the position of vulnerability. he had to run for election in 2012 and the threats they were able to bring against him put him in a position where if he pushed them to the limit would hurt him in reelection. the president is not running for reelection in 2016. it's a congressional election in 2014. the public opinions are pretty clear. he is winning the battle right now. >> show the first one about people supporting the shut down am how many support the shut down. dee dee meyers yesterday gave something about when the

republicans do this, they lost one presidential race and another race and senate races. all the polls are against them. >> by the way, keep that up for a second. i said this from the very beginning as the "wall street journal" and the litany of conservatives that agree with me. this is not about ideology. we are with ya. also, i don't like cancer. right? me going up and banging my head against the wall is not going to end cancer. it's irrational. >> forget about that. some were appropriate and some were not. they are playing a losing hand and i pplaying it badly. >> for may be to ensure that

rand paul and connell get reelected and remain the minority in the senate. the house republicans are in there safe seats. they are not in that much danger. a few might be, but by and large, they are okay. the republican party could have taken the senate next year. >> so let's get other perspective on this. think about the backdrop of this argument, that open mike moment you heard. the arguing over the tweets. this picture is the capitol hill police working for no money and putting their lives on the line and many others who are dealing with the shut down in a very real way. >> it's taking a roll right now because obviously you see republicans going through this piece meal approach and recognize that the cut has a human cost. they are trying to change the politics around this discussion and saying we are willing to fund nih and we want to do this for the capitol hill police. the president is saying no.

we need a full approach. we can't piece meal fund the government. i think the republicans recognize that there is a damage being done and we need to change the topic away from obama care and say we are for opening parts of the government. the president is not. that's pretty interesting change in the tone of this debate. i don't know how much of an effect it's going to have because the president is adamant he is not going to sign a bill on the full government. that's how he indicated it. >> this is the ted cruz strategy. i am kind of tired of people in the mainstream media telling me that ted cruz, you know it may be bad for the party, but great for ted. no, it's not. this guy is isolated on capitol hill. may i remind americans to think

this is great because there is a flash. there is a shiny flash, it must be great. that shiny flash will remind everybody that michele bachmann won the iowa straw poll. i remind everybody here that sarah palin was in first place for a very long time and herman cain was in first place and then donald trump was in first place for several weeks. you can go down the list. newt gingrich. >> what's your point? >> all those people were in first place and who is our new president? my point is this sort of activity is a great starter. it is a great starter, but a terrible photocopier. mi people respect mike lee and think this is all about mike lee running for president. listen, republicans gave up

their best negotiating position with the debt limit because of this terrible strategy. everybody warned republicans against it except ted cruz, marco rubio, mike lee and 30 or so people in the house. >> what you are saying is paying off or not paying off for republicans because increasingly republican fund-raisers are feeling pressure from most of their zoners to really stop. because of the politics behind the shut down. the major donors have deep reservations and have stopped giving all together because of the growing tea party influence and what they see as the impasse on handling the shut down. donor said republicans misread the mood of the country going into the shut down, adding we are finding a marvelous way to grab defeat from the jaws of

victory. another donor who had fund-raisers for paul ryan, tom cotton said he is done giving money to the national congressional committee saying when you have a segment who dictated the rest of the country, the result is what we have seen in the last few days. >> this is about winning. these people are angry for the same reason i have been angry. not because of ideology, but stupidity. they want to win. boy, this is not helping our chances. >> this is two conversations. you are having a conversation about national perspectives. watching mcconnell and rand paul talk, they are talking about parochial races. rand paul is as important as any know to make sure mcconnell succeeds. he is likeable and anything that would say that hurts him in the senate would help mcconnell.

you are spot on about that. you have been spot on for several m several months. >> twitter announces its plans to go public. can it avoid the same disappointment as facebook? >> wendy davis officially launches a bid for governor of texas. can she harness her national popularity into a real change with texas voters? that's next in the political playbook. first a check on the forecast. bill? >> all eyes on the gulf of mexico. so far, so good. the warm water is trying to strengthen. it has strong winds and dry air. hurricanes don't like that at all. that's why it locks so pathetic. don't give up on it until it makes landfall. then we are done about it. as far as the path in the hurricane, they think it can increase up to a hurricane in

the interior and crossing near mobile bay or pensacola on sunday morning. close to hurricane strength and something like that you expect problems with rainfall and a little a little bit of issues. not a lot. as far as snow, what an impressive snowstorm in wyoming. it's piling up. look at the snow on the ground there in casper and thunder snow. roads will be impassable. the other things we need to do. isolated tornados in iowa and friends in southern california, you also have the threat of santa ana winds over the next three days and we are hoping no fires form. if they do, they spread rapidly and that would be a big story in itself. we leave you with one location we are watching closely. pensacola, florida. right now it locks to be weak. stay tuned. lyrics: 'take on me...' ♪

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>> the oregonian, the police released a video of the deadly traffic shootout from august. the driver walked over to the police car and just started firing away. he called and returns to his vehicle. the veteran sped away with his three children inside. he was later found dead in his car shot in the chest. the officer was also wounded, but has since recovered. >> "usa today," twitter's ipo filing revealed they are growing quickly, but spending a lot of money. they spent nearly $80 million last year. they are expected to start trading by november and plans to raising $1 billion. my goodness. >> and the seattle times, steve bullner only wived 59%,

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biography, i am malala from the day she was shot from the taliban. incredible story. incredible girl. >> let's go to the politico playbook. >> let's do politico. >> john harris. >> texas state senator wendy davis made it official and announced she was running for governor in 2014. davis gained fame for her nearly 11-hour filibuster against the abortion clinic in texas. yesterday she focused on bringing the lone star state together. >> texans do not want to watch austin turn into washington, d.c. the state leaders that are currently in power are forcing people to opposite corners to prepare for a fight instead of coming together to get things done. i'm asking you to dream of all

that we can accomplish together. i'm asking you to believe that the best of texas is yet to come. >> a recent poll shows davis trailing the presumptive republican nominee greg abbott by points. what chance does she have, do you think? >> you know, her message was bringing texas together, but in order to have viability i think at least nationally what she is going to do is something like what elizabeth warnen did in massachusetts and make herself a symbol for the willingness to be tough and fight for values. it's always going to be something in texas that is changing a little bit overtime with the hispanic vote. it's a conservative state and this is a tough uphill climb for her this tms of the polls and financial low. the way she will compete is not running the texas race, but to get money from around the

country to help her candidacy. that will inspire by her filibuster against abortion restrictions, it made her a national figure. >> she talks about washington and the divisions in washington. right now there is a lot of bad blood between party leaders. >> there is a great story on our site if you like personal views and bitterness and family bickering. the present story is catnip. this is not an ideological foit and policy fight and fiscal fight. it's all those things. it makes clear on capitol hill as a personal fight. boehner and reid can't stand each other and staffs can't stand each other. speaking of democratic colleagues, reid said boehner is a coward. virtually shouting.

boehner's staff uses a -- they wrote it in politico and i don't think i can say it on air in "morning joe," but they used choice words of reid for leaking private e-mails. >> politico's john harris, thank you very much. ahead, practical tips to make sure your career doesn't go bust. you might to want tune in here. don't tune out, okay? you tune me out all the time. try not to. >> author michael ryan is here with his the boom boom book. it may save my job. up next, reverend tim. his answer to complex questions. if god is the god of love, why does he allow suffering? that and much more when we come back. customer erin swenson ordered shoes from us online but they didn't fit. customer's not happy, i'm not happy. sales go down, i'm not happy.

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. 35 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." we have senior pastor from new york city's mega church. the best selling author tim keller who is out with a now book, walking with god through pain and suffering. wonderful to have you. what is the definition of a mega church? >> well, if it just means a

church with more than 2,000 people, yes. guilty as charged. >> we will take that. >> if it's an ambiance and a state of mind, it's more traditional than that. >> a lot more understated than that. you have written another box that will be a bestseller. walking with god through pain and suffering. the timing of this as to be especially personal with you, with your mother. >> yes. my dad died in february and my mother died monday. so i would have to say they were getting close to 90 and it's almost -- it's very hard of course. everybody goes through it. unless your parents outlive you in which case that's even worse. essentially if you have a family around a table and everybody is eating around the table, here's a kind thought. at some point one person will

see everyone else dead. it's inevitable. >> i had no idea. i had no idea. >> very uplifting. it's inevitable. >> and pain and suffering also inevitable to everybody. how do you walk through life with pain and suffering? >> well, i'm a christian minster so what i liked about the bible was the amazing balance. on the hand you have joe. he's crying out and praying and complaining to good and questioning god and at the end of the book god shows up and said you honored me because even though you were complaining and crying out, you prayed and stuck with me. on hand this dream in the bible said it's good to be honest and

lament and cry. there is a call to in the end trust and don't walk away from god. in the end, don't freak out and melt down. i like the fact that it's got this, it's not too stoic, but on the other hand saying don't give up either. it's great. >> there is a value in faith and pain head on? >> pain will make you better or worse. it will make you stronger or weaker. it's not going to loaf you as you are. some people say i lost faith because of suffering and some say i found god because of suffering. it's not the suffering, it's how you respond to it. it's not the suffering itself. obviously learning to process it moans everything. >> some people have a harder time getting over it than other people. there is an acute space when somebody dies. i think most people get into a sort of life goes on mode just

the same, but some people don't. >> they don't. >> they have profound problems. how do you deal with that? >> i think at the humanistic level, you have a choice to get self-absorb and stay that way. suffering always makes you not care about anybody but yourself at the moment. ittic mas you think about yourself. you can hardly worry about anybody else. you have no margins and you can get stuck there. you can feel noble and feel like nobody suffered like me. you can get stuck in that or say i'm going to serve other people and care about other people and i'm going to think of somebody but myself. obviously at a more theological level, you will look to god and yourself. if you love god and your neighbor despite your pain, you don't get stuck. >> you lost your father in february? >> in february and my mom.

>> this week. this is incredibly common. other people louz one parent and another parent shortly there after. did you counsel your mother on how to deal with the grief of having lost your father in that interval? >> no, but my father was much more coherent than my mother. she was not. my sister and i are the only ones from my parents. i did try to prepare her and myself because i'm a pastor. i have been through this a lot. i hardly ever see older people outlive each other more than a few months. hardly ever. we just show how important love s. it's the main tie keeping each other going. when is going, the other goes. if my mother died first, i don't think my father would have lived long. >> extraordinary thing that

works so frequently about the age. >> it shows the importance of the bond. >> this book is not -- you don't put a smiley face on it. it's not an i'm okay, you're okay. >> it's a black topper. >> advertising pain and suffering. >> no matter what precautions we take, no matter how well you put together a good life, something will inevitably ruin it. human is fragile and subject to forces beyond our power to manage. life is fragile. it is. >> yeah and the other thing is the reason we ought to read stuff like that, we had an article in the "new york times" called the value of suffering. he has a japanese and lives in japan though he was born and raised in britain. he said when the tsunami hit where thousands of people died, he said there was more panic in california than in japan.

his point was that western people are the worst people in the history of the world at handling suffering. our culture here. it's another reason why we need to come to grips with it. >> my oldest son who went to work in el salvador in the horrible flooding in america said the thing he came back with was that they are happy. they are so happy. everything washed away on monday and they are smiling and picking you up on tuesday, wednesday, thursday. it was stunning to me. it sounds like it echoes here. >> yeah. >> reverend tim keller, the book is walking with god through pain and suffering. thank you. >> always great to have you here. >> our next guest will tell us how to make sure your career doesn't go bust. >> i knew that. >> michael ryan joins us with

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stand a chance. little did i know, you go on and win the nomination. >> what was it about him that made him overcome that? >> he was in this and i talk about it in the book, but having that desire. so often people are influenced by what others say. if this is what you want to do, go for it and don't let others dissuade you. when joe got to congress, you think he is rough now, he is mild. he wanted to close the governmental agencies and unlike the governor from texas, he could remember which government want departments he wanted. >> that's right. a problem there. red hot and smart. let's see. we have tips. the person you have to keep happy in your life is you. what? >> exactly. too often people are trying to do stuff that others want them to do.

the only way you are going to succeed in is making sure you do things you want to do. they may be in a job they don't like, but find an outlet that inspires you. >> don't put all your eggs in your career. >> you say that all the time to young women. >> i do. >> that's the issue because i saw a lot of people in my own company who were invested in their career, but all of a sudden bad things can happen to good people and they are out. >> especially if you hang out with john heilman. if they remember, bosses are human too. we are skeptical. >> i tell you why. here's the deal. bosses are as human as you are. if you give them positive feedback when they help you on something, they will be more inclined to help you going on. i remember in pensacola when i was managing editor when joe was at pensacola. a reporter was reading a self

evaluation and wrote how much she appreciated when i talked to her. who do you think i spent time with some i spent time with her. too often people with bosses sit back and think things are going to happen. i say you need to be in the droifr's se driver's seat and what you want. >> we like our bosses. >> we do. you never let them tell you what you want. >> we will have to work with ow that. we will advocate for you. >> be more direct. you are going to do it. be more direct. >> it is great to see you again and thank you very much for coming on. >> the book is the boom boom book. practical tips to make sure your career doesn't go bust. back in a minute. before they sat down,

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>> to some of us, doing the right thing in congress is not about helping a political party. it's about trying to help the people that elected us. it's about trying to do what's right for the whole country. and if your heart doesn't break when you read these stories and when you take the phone calls and if your heart doesn't -- >> that is compelling stuff.

look at the graphics and look at films. close day four. mika, what did you learn? >> there a lot of people working hard. they are not getting paid and they should get the respect they deserve from members of congress who are hired to serve this country. and the senate. >> four baseball games in one day. it only happens about once a year when you get playoff games in day. that's the day. it's great. >> kwanzaa and hanukkah all wrapped up into one. >> i learned the republicans think they are winning this. >> here's a fascinating thing. how would we react differently if we knew a woman was armed with a baby in the back with the debt ceiling if the fear of what happened could go on in the next two weeks. >> no doubt about it. >> did you